Here are some VERY HELPFUL feedback answers I have received since posting my review & experience on Jay Robb’s Fruit Flush Detox.
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My curiosity to this detox plan all started with this post:
http://www.wahm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=383073
My original follow-up post at the WAHM.com Fitness Boards
http://www.wahm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=388550
http://www.wahm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=387432
And other links that touch the subject of detox’s
http://www.wahm.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=390710
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Here is my original post at: Burn the Fat Inner Circle Discussion Boards:
I got sucked into detoxinfing for 3 days on Jay Robbs FRUIT FLUSH detox and I am now paying the price for it!
You can view my expericence here:
http://vphealthandfitness.com/jay-robbs-3-day-fruit-flush-review/
Since I was eating very low calories, I figured I should have my high day (re-feeding) day yesterday. I did, but now I feel horrible! I’m feeling bloated, retaining water, and had very low energy yesterday. Even after eating pretty clean, but high calories.
What gives?? I know that we aren’t suppose eat much fruit on a fat loss program… did I set myself back for failure??? I did eat copious amounts of fruit - more than i’m accustomed to. How can I overcome this?
Any help, feedback would be really really appreciated, SOON!
Thanks,
~ Vilma
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And, Below are the answers I received: From the BFIC Boards
This one is from “THE MAN” himself, Tom Venuto:
Vilma,
Jay Robb is a good man, although Im not so sure about a 3 day “fruit detox.” Ive written about detox before and Im not an advocate, especially in the context of doing it specifically for weight reduction or to “prepare you” for weight reduction
http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/184.cfm (I will post this Q & A he wrote about at the end of this entry)
Alan Logan, author of the Brain Diet, has some interesting insights on the subject that make sense to me — basically that “detox” is something to be done every day of our lives by avoiding toxins as much as possible in the first place.
(1) he suggests not going “all-out” organic, but going organic on the list of foods most likely to be contaminated
most contaminated according to Logan
apples
bell peppers
celery
cherries
grapes
nectarines
peaches
pears
potatoes
red raspberries
spinach
strawberris
least contaminated
asparagus
avocado
banana
broccoli
cauliflower
corn
kiwi
mango
onions
papaya
pineapple
peas
I haven’t confirmed these lists or checked Logans sources, but the concept makes sense to me.
I got to thinking about it a year ago when david grisaffi and I were talking about me being a moderate but daily coffee drinker and he told me to be sure to get the organic coffee. I said “why” and he said “didn’t you know that coffee is one of the most pesticided, herbicided and fungicided crops in the world.” Uhhh, nope didnt know that!
(2) Logan also said, “when it comes to detoxification in the liver, any kind of prolonged fasting beyond one day is completely inappropriate. the body’s natural detoxification system relies on proteins and other dietary chemicals for optimal function. While intermittent fasting might have its place, we need much more research before we can routintely recommend it”
Most of us here are aware of the mercury in fish problem, but Logan also mentions that fish oil (presumably pharmaceutical grade or tested for mercurcy) can accelerate excretion of environmental chemicals.
although i am still very much a fan of flaxseed oil and essential oil blends, chalk another one up for fish oil.
Hope this was helpful. I thought these were some interesting facts.
Tom V
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Hi Vilma,
I’ve used different cleanses in the past, fruit juices, vegetable juices, a mix of the two, and I’ve never “got” it. The promoters all say that I will experience head aches and will spend more time in the bathroom than usual as the body gets rid of toxins, but I never do. Guess I don’t have enough toxins to feel the effects?
A refeed after a detox is delicate. Depending on how little you consumed during the three days you did this, and how much you re-fed your body afterwards, the bloating sounds pretty normal. Don’t worry though, you have probably rid your body of a few undesirable toxins and the bloating is temporary.
Make sure you drink plenty of water, even a little more than usual, and get back to the BFFM nutrition plan slowly but surely.
Let me know how you do.
Sarah C. Thorstensen, R.A. PT (UK)
Female Fat Loss Forum Moderator
http://www.trainwithsarah.com
http://trainwithsarah.wordpress.com
http://www.atozfitness.com
http://www.healthylivesforyou.com
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Hi Vilma,
I personally love Tom’s philosophy. If you are eating healthy nutritious foods on a regular consistent basis there should be no need to detox. All your symptoms are a totally typical response when coming off a cleanse.
Now for fruit and fat loss, myself and my clients have had tremendous fat loss success while including a fair amount of fruit and vegetables in our diet. Chose the fruits that are higher in fiber and eat them earlier in the day.
In general, I see many people avoid fruit because they say it will make you fat and it’s high in sugar. Yet I see these same people in the drive thru at McDonald’s.
I’m sure that’s not you, it’s just a generalization.
Did you set yourself up for failure???
Only if you give up and decide that you really screwed yourself up by following that cleansing program.
You tried something… it produced a result… you learned… and you move on.
I use myself as a guinea pig all the time. Some things don’t work and that’s O.K. as long as you take it for what it is and move on to things that do work.
BFFM is a lifestyle. Tom’s nutrition advice is top notch. Follow his advice and you will be well on your way to fat loss success.
Don’t view this as a failure. Simply learn from it and appreciate it. There’s nothing wrong with what you’ve done, and now you get to share that experience with others. That’s a great thing. It’s all part of the journey.
Keep up the great work and thank you for sharing your experience!
YOUR DREAM BODY AWAITS YOU…
Scott Tousignant, BHK, CFC
Contributor/Moderator
Motivational Coach
www.UnstoppableFatLoss.com
The Fit Chic Fat Loss Blog
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Yes, by eating fruit during this time you have completly wiped out any gains you made before. Every ounce of fat has come back and you have now put yourself in a position that you can never lose any more fat for the rest of your life.
I really hope that all sounded really silly. Relax. A few days of eating a lot of fruit is not going to negate what you’ve done and keep you from getting to where you want to go. Its fruit! While a lot of fruit is not always ideal when the goal is fat loss, its not going to hurt you. You tried this, you found out negative aspects of it. You learned. That’s great!
Remember when Tom said most people underestimate what they can do in the long run and overestimate what they can do in the short run? If you had fallen off the wagon hard and ate nothing but fried food and sweets all day you should not worry about it as much as you are worried about eating fruit.
So chalk it up as a learning experience and therefore a win. Fruit is ok in moderation (remember its still on the ‘A’ list) but its better to eat complete meals (lean protein, starchy carb, fibrous vegetable) 5 times a day.
Cowboymouth
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Hi Vilma,
I don’t know what you mean by “set myself back for failure”. Did you accomplish your goal of detox’n your system? If so, you should probably start eating more balanced meals.
I’m guessing that you are feeling bloated and retaining water because your body is in a “starvation mode”, and when you did your refeed (I’m assuming consisted of starchy carbs) your body dumped it right into fat to in fear you will be starving yourself again. You may have compounded the problem by exercising when consuming less than 1200 calories per day. This is a huge cal deficit, exercising will make it worse… you probably felt energetic from the sugar content, it may have been a good idea to “save” that energy instead of working it off.
If this fruit-plan is not working for you, the only way you can overcome it is to stop doing it. 
As you said in your blog, this fruit diet is not a long term solution. If you only did it to “detox”, do so and start eating correctly. (In my humble opinon). You side-effects will probably subside in less than a week when you start getting your food-intake back to normal.
Let us know how it goes, I’m curious.
-James
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hello,vilma
i think there isn’t a big problem by eating too much fruit as you still exercicing,anyway keep it like this till your body adapt to it as long as you are eating natural healthy food that’s better than eating any fast food.
can you please post your reading of body fat in this weekend and the variation from the last week?
peace,
hurricane
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Tom Venuto Answers: Burn The Fat Q & A: Detoxification And Weight Loss
http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/184.cfm
Q: I recently bought a diet and exercise program off an infomercial. In the package that I received, they recommended a 2 day fasting period before you actually start exercising. The 2 days of fasting are supposed to “cleanse impurities, detoxify your body, and prepare it to fully utilize its stored fat reserves to make any workout / diet life style change more effective.” After the fasting, you can start eating again, according to their diet plan (which is similar to your Burn The Fat program in that it suggests 5-6 small meals a day). I know that you continually warn people to EAT and NOT to even skip meals, let alone skip a whole day of eating. So, is this fasting phase a good idea? Do you believe it’s important to detoxify the body?
A: Detoxification and fasting are touchy subjects because some people have such strong - and even religious - beliefs about them. In the context of starting a weight loss program, detox or fasting is unnecessary and scientifically unproven. There is no science supporting the claim that detox will “prepare the body to fully utilize its stored fat reserves.”It’s also used in some cases as a “sneaky” way to start a diet program in order to achieve rapid, dramatic losses of body weight. This makes the diet appear highly effective and makes for impressive infomercial testimonials, showing unusually large amounts of weight loss.
A fast, “cleanse” or “detox” at the beginning of a diet program can cause very rapid weight loss (note: weight loss, not fat loss). It’s not uncommon to drop 10, 12 even 15 pounds in the first week or two with such protocols. This can boost the total weight lost over a 6 week program to impressive sounding 25-30 pounds, even if only 2 pounds is lost on each subsequent week after the first week. The question is, do you want to lose body weight or permanently lose FAT?
The first 15 pounds is water, glycogen and even muscle tissue. Then maybe 10 pounds is fat - if you’re lucky. The 1st 15-20 pounds will all come back because it was fluid, and the body fat will probably come back too because of potential metabolic damage done due to starvation and subsequent muscle loss.
This is similar to the strict “induction” phases on certain diet programs, of which I have never been a fan. It’s claimed that induction is necessary to metabolically shift you into fat burning mode, but I see it more as a “cheap trick” approach to quickly knocking off 10-15+ pounds of body weight (mostly water), to pander to the instant gratification needs of most dieters.
Some argue that providing this “quick success” instant gratification is psychologically important for the dieter’s motivation. However, it’s not really success, it’s only the appearance of success based only on scale weight. Going for the quick initial weight loss almost always backfires in the long run. Any crash diet, induction protocol or fasting ritual designed specifically to induce rapid weight loss is one you should avoid.
Look at the weight loss recommendations of any legitimate science-based health and fitness organization such as the American College Of Sports Medicine, the National Strength and Conditioning Association or the American Dietetic Association and you will see the same healthy, sensible recommendation repeated over and over again: Healthy weight loss that lasts for the long term is 1-2 pounds per week, or 1% of total body weight per week (2.5 lbs if you weigh 250, etc).
Now, regarding detoxification for reasons other than weight loss, it’s difficult to draw general conclusions because there are so many different protocols that fall under the term “detoxification” with many different claims being made. But the fact is, most of them have little to no scientific evidence supporting them and some are downright kooky!
Will Brink, Author of Diet Supplements Revealed, made a post in his forum recently that made this point very succinctly. Will wrote:
“Who says you need to detoxify? The very term is quasi scientific at best, silly at worst. Are you looking to optimize increases in lean body mass or sit around drinking lemon water? I don’t detoxify, as I don’t feel toxic. The methods for detoxifying also run the gamut from real to a total scam. For example, for people that have high amounts of heavy metals, a process called chelation therapy appears to be legit to reduce those levels. Then you have all manner of pretend detoxifying diets, enemas, etc, which I have no faith in.”
When asked about a lemon-water based “cleansing and detoxifying” diet, American Dietetic Association (ADA) spokesperson Kathleen Selman, RD said:
“Your body has its own mechanisms to cleanse itself. You don’t need to ingest special potions — that’s hocus-pocus. Adequate fluid intake is what your body needs to keep your kidneys and bowel humming along. Your body needs more than 40 nutrients a day. That concoction contains little to no protein, fat, calcium, fiber, iron and countless other nutrients essential to maintaining your health and energy levels, and one drink can never satisfy that. You’ll likely lose weight on this diet because your calorie intake will be minimal, but much of this weight will be muscle. Once you start eating normally, the pounds will come back, and this time it will be fat-weight gain. There’s no scientific basis whatsoever for this program. It’s dangerous. It’s semi-starvation, and it will make you weak and tired.”
So, do I believe it’s important to keep your body free of toxins? Yes, but I believe that “detox” is not necessarily a regimen of supplements, herbs, special drinks, fasting or weird “internal cleansing” procedures. “Detoxification” is something that you should be doing every single day of your life by making better food choices and avoiding harmful chemicals in the first place. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
You stay “non-toxic” by drinking large amounts of pure water, eating lots of fiber, eating natural foods and avoiding man-made food, refined carbohydrates, refined fats (and trans fats), packaged food and other “chemical cuisine” as much as possible. If you really want to get serious about “detoxification”, you could take it a step further by eating organic foods that are even less likely to contain toxins and chemicals such as pesticides, herbicides and fungicides.
“Detoxification” is not necessary to start a fat loss program and prolonged fasting is actually quite catabolic and results in loss of skeletal muscle tissue and a decrease in energy which precludes intense training. That makes it a bad idea for bodybuilders, strength athletes and those seeking to maximize lean body mass.
If fasting or “detoxing” are important disciplines to you for personal or spiritual reasons, by all means continue. If you believe you’re getting some measurable physical benefits, then don’t let me discourage you from continuing either. One of the foundational principles of the Burn The Fat program is that results are what counts and that you should continue to do more of what’s working. However, my advice to someone who is unsure either way is to simply clean up their diet first and stop eating processed, chemical-laden food.
If you choose to experiment with any type of fast or “detox” program, check for scientific support rather than anecdotal evidence, pay attention to your body composition results (not just scale weight) and listen to what your body is telling you rather than what the advertisements are telling you. If you don’t, you may find yourself shelling out hundreds of dollars a month for “exotic cleansing herbs and supplements” or losing weight very quickly, only to regain every pound… with less muscle than when you started. Buyer beware.
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So there you have it friends… lot’s and lots of opinions & reviews. I hope it’s as helpful to YOU as it’s been to me.
~ Vilma :smile:
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